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Trade talks: Fishing with live bait

June 20, 2011

It’s become pretty clear that there is going to be some interesting trade maneuvering coming in Giants land as we creep towards the deadline (or if not there are some more serious issues than our anemic offense).  Much as we are normally loathe to discuss trading away anyone particularly decent, and we are still not in the “trade away prospects” camp, we’re no longer in a position to be too strongly attached to our current roster as it stands, particularly in the bullpen.

Easy trade bait:
Casilla

Slightly less easy but survivable losses:
Ramirez
Mota
Affeldt
Runzler

Only trade if you’re going to get someone unspeakably amazing:
Wilson

Yes, all pitchers.  We could trade some outfielders, but none of them have particularly high trade value at this point, so the only value there would really be to free up a roster spot.  If someone wants to take Aaron Rowand off our hands, fantastic, but we’re not counting on it.

Trade targets:
Carlos Beltran
Jose Reyes
J.J. Hardy
Yorvit Torrealba
Mike Napoli
Ivan Rodriguez
Jed Lowrie
George Kottaras

Unsurprisingly, we’re looking for catchers, offense, and possibly a shortstop.  Someone has to take the reigns behind the plate (and be there to take some of the workload next season when we’re not going to want to see Buster Posey catch 150 games), someone has to replace Tejada (we’re putting aside our Brandon Crawford fondness for the moment purely for the sake of argument), and we need offense.  And yes, we realize that 1) Lowrie is on the DL and 2) that’s a pretty tall order.

Hardy and Torrealba for Casilla or Ramirez seem the most realistic of those scenarios, despite the apparent break down in whatever talks were going on for the Casilla for Torrealba deal.  Jose Reyes is a high risk proposal because it’s basically a rental, not even a lease to own deal.  Unless there’s some sort of contract extension or other agreement in the deal, it’s potentially a lot of money for a very short term solution.  Lowrie is on the DL right now, so that’s a risk, but it would undoubtedly take a huge amount to get him in the first place.  Consider that one our personal pipedream that we would never actually expect to work out.

The point being, we need some offense and we need catching and if we can get a shortstop, well, so be it.  Not news to anyone, but that’s where it stands.  Now it’s just time to wait and see.

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4 Comments leave one →
  1. NotABandwagoner permalink
    June 20, 2011 11:06 pm

    How about Jonathan Sanchez? He would be REALLY good trade bait, and with Zito coming back, we have 5 starters. Just a thought…

    • Maiya permalink*
      June 20, 2011 11:51 pm

      Thanks for the read and the comment! :D My own thoughts, with disclaimer…

      Disclaimer: I am a terrible Jonathan Sanchez apologist/lover, so don’t pay too much attention to me but..

      For one, I have all too little faith in Zito. His velocity has been down all year and he wasn’t exactly dominant in the minors. He wasn’t terrible, certainly, but the drop off from JSanchez to Zito is significant.

      That said, Lincecum, Cain, MadBum, Vogelsong, Zito is still a great rotation. But it relies on two things: Vogelsong continuing to be Vogelsong 2.0, and no one getting injured. If we trade JSanchez and a starter goes down the minor league depth is uh…Sosa, Surkamp, and Verdugo? Maybe Loux? Yikes. Vogelsong has been a godsend but we can’t expect two of those. The same questions are open for next season as well, unless Surkamp proves ready.

      There are some scenarios in which it would realistically be hard to say no, obviously, but I’d rather trade Wilson and various prospects not named Brown and Wheeler before any starter. Unless some nutcase picked up Zito’s contract of course.

  2. Sean Fleming permalink
    June 22, 2011 3:40 pm

    At 33 and in the midst of a career resurgence Vogelsongs trade value is obviously not astronomically high, but considering how consistent he’s been this season, and at the price he’s playing for, you have to figure a contender would be interested. As sub-par as Zito has generally and almost dependably been, I’d imagine that the upside of a Jed Lowrie type over Tejada/Crawford does more for the roster than what’s lost in a Zito instead of Vogelsong scenario (unless of course Vogelsong continues to pitch like Greg Maddux reincarnate). Just a thought.

    • June 22, 2011 6:01 pm

      I don’t think Vogelsong’s trade value is high enough to justify the loss. I have a feeling he’s still kind of a novelty outside of Giants circles, someone you expect to have a storybook season and then disappear. I could be wrong, but I think it’d take him and a lot more to get someone like Lowrie, which may or may not be worth it in the long run. I’d entertain the idea if it was a compelling enough trade, though, much as it would break my heart to see him traded.

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